Craps Bet Behind Pass Line
The pass line bet with odds is the best craps bet you can make because it has the lowest house edge. However, players can also wager on the numbers 4, 5, 6, 8, 9,.
- One of the reasons why betting on the Pass Line is so popular is because of the small house edge. In Craps this can be one of the best bets you can make because the house has only a 1.41% edge. One of the other reasons betting the Pass Line is popular is because if you play in a live casino you are betting with the shooter.
- The odds of you winning both a pass and don't pass bet is 49.3%, making this one of the best bets to place when playing craps. If you are new to the game, then this bet is.
- The pass line odds enhance your pass line bet after the establishment of a point. It loses if the shooter throws seven and wins if they roll the point before rolling seven. The key benefit of the pass line odds wager is that you win, you get your payment at true odds, which means that there is hardly any house edge.
Anyways at the casino around here you've got people doing all kinds of hop bets, hardways, hop the hardways, and all the other proposition bets which really slows down the game. This is even worse on Friday and Saturday night as the tables are so jam packed that you can barely move. So if I want to gamble I go to the $25 seven stars/diamond table where none of those amateurs are there. There are less players, you feel like you can breathe, you don't 5 people betting $1 or $2 on all the hardways. The problem with this table is the $25 minimum kills me on the don't pass on a bad come out roll. On a $25 table I bet a lot more on flat bets and a lot less on odds. I've seen the $25 table go around with shooter after shooter rolling 2 or 3 naturals and before I know it my bankroll is gone even on a cold table!
Here's my question. If I were to bet both the passline and the don't pass, I understand I would loose on a 12 but if I bet on both the passline and don't pass line at the same time for $25 at the same time and then I put down $60-$75 in odds on the 5, 6, 8, and 9 would this be close to the same house edge as if I only placed a $10 don't pass bet with 5x odds?
Here's my question. If I were to bet both the passline and the don't pass, I understand I would loose on a 12 but if I bet on both the passline and don't pass line at the same time for $25 at the same time and then I put down $60-$75 in odds on the 5, 6, 8, and 9 would this be close to the same house edge as if I only placed a $10 don't pass bet with 5x odds?
I would have to crunch some numbers, but my initial reaction is no, it isn't, as the pass bet has a higher house edge than the don't pass, so you're moving $25 of your bet to a worse bet. You might as well increase your odds bets when you bet $50 on don't from 50-60 to 60-75.
I thought the house edge on the pass was 1.41% and the house edge on the don't is 1.36%.
They are - which is why moving $25 from don't pass to pass won't lower the overall house edge.
I never said move the don't pass to pass, I said have a $25 chip on both so the only way you can loose on the come out is if they roll a 12, and then lay your odds on the don't pass
It's easier to understand this play on a $1 10x odds table such as Joker's Wild. If you bet the pass and don't pass for $1 each as well as the come and don't come for $1 each every roll, the cost to play is $1 every 36 rolls (the twelve). This (continuous-come + continous-dc) strategy costs about $3 per hour to employ with absolutely zero chance to win.
But for that $3 per hour (or 3x minimum bet per hour cost) it opens up both the opportunity for odds and lay odds for at least 1 number 5/6th of all rolls (every roll except immediately after a seven).
Assuming you only play one side, the cost to play this way is exactly double the normal cost of only playing one side, and you completely kill the volatility of the line bets. This leaves you with only the volatility of the odds and lay odds bets.
In order to win, you need to be a lot of odds or lay odds, but you can win with twice cost when the edge on a percentage basis is still under 1% very easily.
The problem most people run into is that they can't afford to have big enough odds for lots of numbers to get the edge down under 1%. If you're not under 1%, you might as well just bet no odds or single odds and keep it simple. But at 10x odds working the comeout, this strategy can work. It's just a LITTLE BIT harder to win.
But try it at Joker's Wild, and you can probably stomach the costs and win with complete continuous come+dc bets if you work the comeout roll with your odds and always take 10x odds on one side of each bet.
I never said move the don't pass to pass, I said have a $25 chip on both so the only way you can loose on the come out is if they roll a 12, and then lay your odds on the don't pass
You're still better off in terms of house edge by betting the whole $50 on Don't - that's what I meant by 'moving the $25 to Pass'. (I forgot that your 'original' bet was only $10.)
Craps Bet Behind Pass Line Odds
That is like saying I'm mostly a 'tails' players. Right and Wrong players at craps are like 'heads' and 'tails'. So close to each as makes no difference whatsoever. Sure, Don't Players have some slight smidgen of a better mathematical chance, but it also takes a bit more bankroll to do the Don't Side properly.
> and I like to bet $10 and I lay 5X odds.
Good for you, that makes you a bit of an 'average player'.
> I've been made fun of here ...
All in good nature, I'm sure. We don't ridicule people here, though we do try to be humorous at times.
>for trying two different 'systems' when I'm getting creamed on the don't pass
The only system to play when you are getting creamed on the Don't Pass is known as 'Admit your mistake and Switch to the Pass Line'.
>but for the most part I like to bet $10
That's fine as long as the table minimum signs allow it.
>and lay 5x odds if it's a 5, 6, 8, or 9 and I don't like to risk $100 to win $50 so I lay $50 or $60 if 4 or 10 is the point.
Seems okay on the math. Most of your money is the odds bet and that is proper.
>Anyways at the casino around here you've got people doing all kinds of hop bets, hardways, hop the hardways,
>and all the other proposition bets which really slows down the game.
Yeah, but they are players too and the casino wants their money too and only the casino can comment on their style of play.
> This is even worse on Friday and Saturday night as the tables are so jam packed that you can barely move.
Man, that sure does make the casino happy.
Gamblers blowing their bankroll at the end of the week and slurping up some booze and staring a the cocktail waitress's boobs. Whats the world coming too?
I don't know, but the casino is happy and the waitress is making good tips on a Friday or Saturday night, even if its a bit rowdy and the dice are moving slow and she is getting a head ache from all that whoopin' and hollerin' stuff.
> So if I want to gamble I go to the $25 seven stars/diamond table where none of those amateurs are there.
Again, that's just fine. Casinos don't care what game you play as long as you play it at their casino.
> There are less players, you feel like you can breathe, you don't 5 people betting $1 or $2 on all the hardways.
Yeah, its quieter and there are fewer distractions over penny ante stuff.
>The problem with this table is the $25 minimum kills me on the don't pass on a bad come out roll.
Yeah, well that sort of happens. You pay for solitude or relative solitude but they don't sell you any immunity from a come out roll loss. Drat it all.
> On a $25 table I bet a lot more on flat bets and a lot less on odds.
Sorry Charlie, but our fearless leader and just about every dealer in town will tell you that ain't the way to do it.
Some people have different goals: Time at table, make a killing, get that CW into the sack, get drunk, yell the loudest over a one dollar hop bet, talk the loudest to the dice, etc. etc.
> I've seen the $25 table go around with shooter after shooter rolling 2 or 3 naturals and before I know it my bankroll is gone
Boy, you sure are right! Its enough to drive you crazy. That is when I grab the waitress, bury my head in her boobs and ask her to support me and she uses her knees (both of them) and calls security.
> even on a cold table!
Yep. But perhaps you are staying too long on the Don'ts.
Are you 'wedded' to the Dark Side? Most players approach a table and try to determine 'Do, Don't or Choppy'.
Maybe you should not have a 'favorite' strategy but should use a strategy that is appropriate to time and place and table.
One thing is certain though. If you really are NOT bankrolled for a 25.00 table, you ain't gonna be happy there for long.
So go back to the ten dollar table with all the elbows and all the whoopin' and hollerin' over a one dollar hardway and all those twenty minuted dances before the shooter actually throws the darned dice. If you are looking for 'time at table' the math rules.
Go look at those Gambler's Ruin charts that show how many units you need at a craps table. There are lots of footnotes to those charts but none of them say anything about a nice quiet table. They just say: five dollars, ten dollars, twenty-five dollars, etc.
They explain gambler's ruin at a 90 percent confidence level ... and the reason its not based on 'table manners of the players' is that Lady Luck visits are simply not based upon whether the guy next to you whoops and hollers and hops the hardways or not. Gambler's Ruin is based on YOUR bankroll, not the bankroll of the other players or the social behavior of the other players.
So even if you like the dont side very much.... don't get married to it.
>Here's my question. If I were to bet both the passline and the don't pass,....
You would be hedging your bets which means you would never win enough to make it worth your time standing there praying the dice gods don't give you no twelves.
> I understand I would loose on a 12
Yes and twelves will indeed roll.
>but if I bet on both the passline and don't pass line at the same time for $25 at the same time
then you are a wuss who can't make up his mind, place his bet and accept the results.
> and then I put down $60-$75 in odds on the 5, 6, 8, and 9 ....
ah come oh, you can play zero odds and it ain't gonna change nuttin'.
> would this be close to the same house edge as if I only placed a $10 don't pass bet with 5x odds?
would also be close to the same house edge as if you only placed a ten dollar PassLine bet with 5x odds too.
I was betting $25 on the don't pass, $25 on the passline, and I had 2x odds behind my don't pass bets of 5, 6, 8, and 9 and 1x odds behind my 4 and 10 don't pass bets.
ah come oh, you can play zero odds and it ain't gonna change nuttin'.
If I would have played zero odds I would have left with $475 because they rolled a 12 on the come out roll at the very beginning of the session. I lost an additional $475 laying 2x odds behind my don't pass bet. I *WISH* that I had zero odds or odds behind the passline on the 'hot shooter'
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Before we talk about how to make a Pass Line bet in Craps it is important to understand what we are actually betting on.
The first dice roll in any round is called the come out roll. This roll can be the first roll of a new shooter or it can be the start of a new round. In a live casino the shooter is the only one that is required to bet on the Pass Line.
Craps Don't Pass Line Odds
Rules of the Pass Line Bet
On the come out roll, if the shooter rolls a 7 or 11 everyone who bet on the Pass line will automatically be a winner. When this occurs it is called a Natural.
If the shooter rolls a 2, 3, or 12 on the come out roll, whoever bet on the Pass Line automatically loses. When you roll a 2, 3 or 12 that is called a Craps.
By now you are probably thinking what happens if the shooter rolls one of the other numbers? Well this is where things start to change up a little bit. If the shooter rolls a 4,5,6,8,9 or 10 that number then becomes the shooters ‘Point.’
When the point is established you will see a white marker moved onto that number on the board so everyone knows what the point is. This marker is called a Marker Puck. This puck has two sides one of which is black and the other is white. When it is black it means that a point hasn’t been established yet and isn’t on a number. When the point is established it is turned over so it is white onto the numbers on the Craps table. The numbers that the puck moves onto are called Point Boxes.
The shooter then must roll that number again before he rolls a 7 to win. If he rolls a 7 before he rolls the point he loses. If the shooter doesn’t roll the point or a 7, he will keep rolling until rolls one of them. After that happens that is the end of the round and we can bet again.
Pass Line Bet in Action
Barry places a $10 bet on the Pass Line. He rolls the dice and it’s a 9. Because it isn’t a 7 or 11 he didn’t win. He also avoided rolling a 2, 3 or 12 so he didn’t lose either. The 9 now becomes his point. He rolls again and it’s a 5. This is neither his point, nor a 7 so he rolls again. The next roll is a 9 and he has rolled his point number. Because Barry bet $10 he wins another $10. So Barry now has $20 (double his money) for winning his pass line bet.
One of the reasons why betting on the Pass Line is so popular is because of the small house edge. In Craps this can be one of the best bets you can make because the house has only a 1.41% edge.
One of the other reasons betting the Pass Line is popular is because if you play in a live casino you are betting with the shooter. When the shooter wins, you win, so everyone is happy. This is why you see everyone jumping up and down when the shooter wins.
Learn How to Bet the Pass Line
Craps Bet Behind Pass Line
If you were to learn just one bet, this is the one that you want to learn. It has a small house edge and is exciting to bet on. At the same time that you are having fun, you won’t be bleeding money because the odds are almost even. When you understand this bet it is easy to comprehend the rest of the bet types. If you can understand this concept the rest of the game will be simple and you can pick it up quickly.